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| Special Blog : Southern Regional
10/22 - 10:00 a.m. - Whew! As Staceman said, Saturday was a long day, "I wouldn't suggest amatures try it." Actually, it was a great time for "amatures" and "pros" alike. Also, an interesting day. The setup was excellent. 49 machines were setup in the entrance area, lobby, whatever, of the FedEx Forum (pictures to be posted this week). With huge windows in that area, it almost felt like you were playing on a patio. There was a nice barstaff there as well, with a cool bar where many of us were found throughout the day watching several college football games and the first game of the World Series. There was also a patio connected which came in very handy during the only downer of the event. About halfway through the five course play, there was a power outage in Chicago (or something) that affected IT. I believe a car ran into a pole knocking out a powerline/transformer. So, we had to take about an hour and a half break. But, I actually thought that was a pretty good time, as many of us hung out on the patio, had some drinks and got to talk a lot more than we really had time to during much of the rest of the event. Good times. As for the events themselves, there several good moments, more of which I will try to address tomorrow morning (about to go settle in for some NFL games). The closest to the pin contest (Pub Champ) was very entertaining, with Baxter (Segal... sorry if I'm mispelling that) winning, one of a group of Tennesseans coming in second (name escapes me... sorry), Houstonian Staceman 3rd, and Sean (main event winner) coming in 4th. It was great meeting people from all over the region, including some new players from right around the corner from where I live. That always surprises me, since I thought I had met most of the people in the vacinity. There was a very nice couple from SC that we kinda thought were crazy at first, who were dressed like their GT players (sombrero and all!). They turned out to be very nice, and very cool. They definitely had a good time with it. Oh, man... so much more to say, but I'm going to have to get back to it later, as I have to hit the road to go get a good seat for the Sunday games. I'll get back with more, including a very unexpected, but very nice jacket presentation. Okay, running out of time.... 10/21 - 9:15 a.m. - Yesterday was a good first day in Tunica/Memphis. Drove up from Jackson, which is about a 3 hour drive. Beautiful area and easy drive. The weather here yesterday and today couldn't be better. Appreciate that Mother Nature. Immediately checked out the sports bar at The Grand (Replay) to8 see if it was up to Sunday football standards. Absolutely. I'll be spending the first part of the day Sunday there. The casino itself was much nicer than I was expecting. Everyone there was very friendly. Ran into Longino (nice meeting you, sir), Brad Litz, Dena, another IT person that I forget at the moment (sorry, I'll learn it today) who was very nice, Hitch and Tim Baker. Speaking of, we had 8 people from Houston on the flight this morning. Not bad for an 8:30 flight. Headed to Memphis at 6:30 (even after gambling for 5 hours... WHOOP!). Went to check out McGuiness Pub near Beall street. One GT machine, and of course people were on it. Piano, Samori and Brian (from NC, just met him) were already there. We hung out for a bit before heading over to Rendezvous (a local ribs legend, as seen on t.v.) to try some of their dry rub ribs. Cool place, but we (Staceman and I) were just not impressed. I love ribs, but maybe I'm too used to wet ribs. Going to try Blue City (I think that's the name) today if I have time, to try out their wet ribs. Beall street looked pretty fun. Will be checking that out tonight as well. Fun times on the way back to the hotel. The cabby had no idea where the hotel was... downtown. Nice. Good cabby, good. Stepped into Fox & Hound next to the hotel for a minute. As we're standing at the bar, an older guy with a private party walks behind the bar, opens the cooler and gets a Miller Lite. Unfortunately for him, a bartender saw him. Good times. :) Only thing that would have been better would have been him pouring his own draft. Well, off to the Forum to check out the setup and event. I'll try to post from there if possible. Should be an interesting day/night. 10/19 - 5:00 p.m. - Well, I'm getting ready to leave for Mephis tomorrow morning. Gotta go play a couple of practice rounds to tweak a couple of things with the new courses, then it's home to pack. I'm going to try to give some thoughts here and there throughout the trip. I've got my trusty bluetooth phone action going on so I should be able to connect as long as I don't forget my computer. My plan now is to head to the bar (Stars in this case) and get about two cycles in. I want to see how the second one goes after a few beers have had time to settle in. I'll be playing that way in Memphis, so I need to see how that treats me. Forget that "no drinking during competition" ridiculousness! Who does that?!? I mean, that's like playing softball without a cooler of beer... or football... or golf without a beer cart girl. The horror!!!! Anyway, I'll touch base tomorrow. Whoop! Blog #10 : Oct. 6, 2006 During the '05 Live courses, I never changed clubs. I got the distance clubs, and used them on every course. Worked for me. But, with the new courses, I found the benefits of changing clubs is just too great not to. It's been interesting seeing the discussion, though, of which clubs are best for which courses. Personal preference for sure. And, to be honest, there are times when, according to the setup, there are going to be clubs that are better than your normal preference. One issue, that could be a major one depending on the circumstances, that I recently discovered... forgetting to change clubs. When you get used to one set of clubs on a course, then tee off before realizing you forgot to change them... well, that just sucks. I know this has been an issue for some in the past, but not for me. Now... ugh. I love the new courses. I haven't decided whether it's because there are finally NEW courses, or if it's because they are just fun. And, I haven't figured out which is the "Heather" course for me yet either. I loved Heather. I like courses with a lot of risk/reward... that, you know it's a feat to pull of a perfect game. And, if you fall behind, there are some ominous holes coming up that could swing the game the other way. Going into 15 knowing you have four tough holes ahead of you, and you're behind by a stroke or three... it's like the two-minute drill in football. I had to get something about football in there. Speaking of, I was pretty devestated by the A&M loss to Texas Tech last weekend. I actually didn't expect to win going in, just because Tech has had a very good offense for years now, and the Aggies implemented a new defensive system this year. I wasn't sure what to expect from it. It wasn't too bad. And, again, going in, I wasn't completely expecting a win against the Ag's first decently rated opponent. But, once we were up by 3 with 30something seconds left, I thought it was at worst a tie. A perfect pass on excellent coverage and a great catch later... bummer. Polly said I didn't quit whining about it for three days. Let's go ahead and make it officially six days. Congrats to the Red Raiders though. Now, I just hope it's taken out on the Jayhawks. :) I have yet to hear anything but good reviews about the Regional events so far. It really sounds like IT has done a great job of putting these things together. Awesome. I absolutely can't wait to get to the Southern Regional in two weeks. That is going to be a blast. I'm hoping the South gets the biggest turnout. It's pretty convenient to everywhere but Texas and Florida. But, I think there will be plenty of people from both of those states. I'm really interested in seeing how many Louisiana players show. I know there are a lot of players there, but they can't play Money Tournaments, only Glory. It's not a bad drive from there. I'm thinking any "surprises" might come from there. However, most of those guys only play from the black tees. It's going to be odd to them to have any shorter boxes. This'll be fun. I'm looking forward to plenty of GT games, but also full blackjack tables and some insane craps table action. Can we get 200 people there? I'm thinking "yes". We'll see. Blog #9 : Sep. 22, 2006 (Note: New links and pics will be put at the right from time to time.) There is so much going on right now, it’s hard to keep up with anything. For those that don’t know, I’m a huge NFL fan. I enjoy college ball, but love the NFL game. So, my television has been on the NFL Network a lot this last couple of months. Now, finally, the games have started counting. I’m not really sure how my wife puts up with me during the NFL season. I applaud her for that. And, this year it’s worse. I’m out playing GT more than normal at this time of year due to the Regionals Event coming up. And, that will continue with the pending release of the new courses. I’m going to have to take a break at some point… though I don’t foresee that until after the Super Bowl. Oh well. Add to that our recent news that my wife is pregnant, and wow! She’s a saint. It’s going to be interesting to see how having a child changes things. I know I’ll be home more, but it’s not like I’m not there now. For GT, I’ll just have to get more lunch time games in. Football won’t be a problem with NFL Sunday Ticket. But, as for GT, I wonder if I can get the local gym (with daycare) to carry a machine. Heh-heh…. - The Southern Regional event has finally started! Sweet! I’m wondering what is so appealing about this contest to me personally. Maybe I should make a list. Blog #7 : July 13, 2006 Sorry for the long break between blog entries. It’s been a busy few weeks. But, I’m back on track now. So…. Blog #6 : June 20, 2006 - There was something I was going to mention in the last blog that I forgot. It was regarding the Texas Shootout. The location where it was held is a pretty busy hang out on the weekend... in the evenings. During the days, the business consists of mostly regulars... maybe 6 to 16, depending. On Saturday and Sunday of the tournament, there were between 30 to 50 people there by noon for the tournament. The machines and the players took over the space to the immediate left and right of the entryway. It didn't take long to start noticing the faces of people walking in, expecting just a couple of people to be there, but walking into a throng of people... all standing around playing GT or watching people play. The looks of confusion on most of their faces was classic, and a nice peripheral source of entertainment for the weekend. - I'm looking forward to the kickoff of the Regional Championship event in the Southern Region. But, that's still almost a month and a half away. I'm wondering what the scores are going to be like near the top. I'm also wondering how many people will be qualifying (by playing 50 games over the two month period). So, I've been taking a look at the Midwest Region leaderboard (their qualifying started June 1) to get some idea of what it's like their at least. The Midwest has a high concentration of upper echelon players, so the top 16ish or so may not be extremely accurate in trying to gauge what the top is going to be like elsewhere. But, it's still interesting. Even more interesting though, is the number of players who, nineteen days in, have already gotten 50 games in. To me, that's a decent indicator of a couple of things; how many people may be attending these events, and how many people are actually playing this game... a lot. As of today, the 20th of June, there are 143 players who have qualified (again, by shooting 50 games) for that area's Regional Championship. That's pretty amazing to me. Now, few if any expect all of the players who qualify to attend the events. But, you would think that the players who have qualified already, this early in, are much more inclined to attend. There will surely be many, many more who will qualify in the next month and 10 days that the Midwest has to qualify. So, how many will attend? Impossible to say. But, right now, it looks like it could be many more than I was initially thinking, and that would make for a hell of a fun event! Even just over a hundred players of all skill levels would be a great time for everyone, with plenty of people of similar skill levels to compete against and meet. But, right now, it's looking like a much higher number than that. - As I mentioned, 143 people have qualified already in the Midwest. I was looking at the stats of the player in 143rd right now. At the moment, that player has a top score of -10 and a 50th place score of +3. Personally, I think that's awesome! That just, to me, indicates that there will be a nice range of skills at the events. And, with 200 spots getting something, I think it'll be fun for most of them. And, that's not taking into account all of the people of similar and different skills that the players will meet. I also wonder, since the person in 143 obviously plays a lot, what it'll be like for them to show up at the event (if they do) and see some of the different levels of players actually playing. I'm thinking that many players may pick up some things they didn't even think about which they may take home with them to work on, resulting in a possible sudden increase in the talent levels across the board in the months following the event. Especially with the new courses, which may be seen as a bit of a leveling factor to some degree. It'll be interesting (to me) to watch. - Something I miss at some of the places I go to play is the hanging monitor hooked to the game. In the past, there were a few places I could go which had connected a monitor or television, usually hanging from the ceiling, to the game. It was very cool. It would be nice to be able to sit back, whether while taking a break, waiting for the machine to open up, or while not even intending to play, and watch what was going on with the play on the game from a distance. Sometimes it would motivate you to go over and see if you could get in a game with someone. Other times, it was just interesting. And, if you were playing in a competitive way, you didn't have to stand over someone's shoulder to see what was happening. I never see that anymore. Maybe it's because people thought the upper monitor on the machine was going to do that. Maybe not. Regardless, it would be nice to see again.
Blog #5 : June 08, 2006 - Last week was interesting but fun. I was driving around town to some places that I know have players so I could tell them about the Texas Shootout coming up. But, it's hit or miss on finding many players at some of those locations. It was just "hit" that night. I went to three places, and two of them (that are very hit or miss) had eight or more people there when I arrived! Wow. I actually meant to go to some other places, but because four were playing on the machine already, I had to wait for them to finish, get in a game, then get through that and talk to them about the tournament. That took some time. But, it was pretty fun getting some games in with new players. By the way, for Houston area players, the locations that had eight players were Curb Checkers and Sherlock's (on Westheimer @ the Tollway). There were two machines at Sherlock's, but one had a screen so messed up that you had to wait on the other game. I think I'll have to go back there. Blog #4 : June 01, 2006 Warning, Warning!!! Long entry this time. I'll try to keep the next one much more brief. Good luck! - Well, as I mentioned last time, I was communicating with IT about the whole “name” issue on GT Live during the upcoming Regional Championship Qualifiers. To quickly recap, they (IT) would like for you to use your real name. Though that might seem like a little thing, a lot of people have some fun with the names and were really hoping they would rescind that stipulation, especially since they figured they would know who they were anyway. Well, I got some answers… or at least IT’s reasoning. I thought it was a pretty good response. I don’t know that it’s going to necessarily work out as they are hoping, but we’ll see. Anyway, here is some of what I found out. - Why do they want us to use our real names? o They want the Leaderboards to look legit to everyone who decides to compete. They were pointing out that when Fore came along, they quit allowing nicknames (before Fore, you could). The reason back then was that, some players would use names like JOEBLOWSGOATS and it would be a bummer for the more novice players to be knocked out by someone going by JBG. They would get leery of the tournament system and quit participating. By disallowing that, the Leaderboards looked more legitimate, as they should, and people would be more willing to participate. They tried to remove as many names like that as they could, but it was a pain. · They would also like the real names to be used just to assist with “confidently identifying” players that are going to show up. Not everyone is going to be using a new Golden Tee Live Card, so they are trying to make the check-in process as uncomplicated for everyone as possible. With real names, they don’t have to remember who certain people are or try to figure out others that they don’t have a strong record of. · Additionally, they would like for players who are newer… or don’t go to the boards… to avoid the confusion that the fake names as well as constantly changing names might cause. Here’s a direct quote that explains it pretty well: When the leaderboard is full of goofy nicknames that change every day (or even every game), it is hard for a novice player to understand what he is looking at, who he is playing against, and where he actually stands in the mishmash. This could turn players off and keep them from participating.
As an example, a leaderboard on Monday could show ANDY H listed in 3rd place, and then on Tuesday ANDY H is nowhere to be found, and MR PINK is now listed in 3rd. You and I know why this happened, but many of the average Joes probably have no clue.
- So, why isn’t this a big deal with the regular play Leaderboards? o They thought about it apparently, and decided that they would allow those names to stay up since they are only up on the board for a little while and are only seen by the 50 people (and, I would say, even then it’s only the people right around them on the leaderboard unless they scroll through the list later) in the event (also, I’d add the people at the location to that… which is sometimes part of the fun for players). They figured they would let the players have their fun with it. o Additionally, players don’t have to submit claim forms to collect their winnings. They can just keep using them off the account. So, the name isn’t as important, whether they know it or not.
- Are there other things, besides just the confusion of new players, that are factoring into the request to use real names? o Yep. They want to try to keep the names better for company reasons too, of course. Specifically, the marketing of the event. This makes some sense. Basically, when news outlets (papers, television, etc.) are doing research on the information they are receiving about the event, it would be preferable to IT not to have things that make it look less legitimate than it is. Names like Cincinasti or some of the more colorful ones can make it look like a joke of contest. Having the correct information reported will just bring more players into it, which is not only good for IT but for the players already enjoying the game. o If Local Press decides they want to know of a player near them to get some information from for an article, it may be hard to give them a contact if it takes more than a glance to give them a (real) name from the leaderboard.
- Back to the qualifying, though… What about the card IDs? Can’t you tell who’s who with those? o IT have an interesting answer to this, and rather than sum it up, I’ll use their response: When the qualifying is over, we will ask players to contact us and let us know if they plan on attending. We know what Persona ID was used to play the 50 games, but in many cases that could be all we know about the player. Verifying who they are will be a challenge, and a real name is a good step towards that.
Not everyone knows their persona ID, or even what it is. A player's Persona ID is printed on their GT LIVE Gold Card, and displayed on their personal web account, but not everyone has one of those. There are a lot of players who still use Fore Gold Cards, or a credit card to ID themselves, and Persona IDs are invisible to them in these instances. We will have to teach them to create a web account, properly assign the correct card to that account, activate it all with a verification email, then log in and look up the persona ID, and then tell (us) what it is. Unfortunately since privacy laws are so strict these days, that's about the only way we CAN do it. o Because of the above, they are going to have some troubles if people just show up at the event, which they expect will happen. And, if they have a real name, it will be much easier to look at the credit card they used, match the name to the “real name” on their list and move on with registration. Without that real name, they’ll have to do some finagling to identify the player and make sure they are the “nickname” they say they are.
- So, those are some reasons they are asking for real names to be used. I obviously still believe many people won’t even realize they need to use real names, or won’t think they are going to be able to qualify, so won’t bother until they actually do qualify. It’ll be interesting to see how that goes, especially with the earlier regions. They are still working on a special version of their FACTS program to identify players with their real name if they have it, which still doesn’t account for those they don’t have of course. They have other things they are going to try and see how they go. Basically, using your real name will help to assure you don’t get removed from the leader board for some reason and will help them. I’m thinking it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out in the first regions over the next couple of months. That's it for now. On Monday or Tuesday, I should have some things to say about the little tournament we're having this weekend in Texas. Later. Blog #3 : May 23, 2006 - After I finished my blog entry for Thursday, I went out and played six games. That’s quite a bit for me in one evening, since I’m usually playing against other people, talking to people, or just sitting back relaxing. So, pumping out six games was pretty impressive from about 5:30 to 9:00. I know some people finish games in the 10 minute area, but I can’t imagine doing what it takes to pull that off. I must have my beer during the game! I must also seek out competition. I rarely play solo, unless I just really need to relax after a long day. Anyway, since I finished Thursday, I have played two games (Saturday). I don’t know whether to be proud of myself for taking a break for a few days, or disgusted that I think that’s a break. I’ll go with proud, since I don’t like the alternative. Heh… heh… ugh. Actually, I’ve thought about this before, but I don’t see anything wrong with playing GT whenever I have the time. In all honesty, it’s probably the one the cheapest, most entertaining social hobbies I could have. After playing for a while, the cost is seriously reduced for the actual games. It costs me around a $1.25 on average (after winnings) to play. Even if it cost $3 or $4 on average, it would still be worth it. $3 isn’t bad for 45 minutes of entertainment (which is probably what it takes if you’re relatively new or playing with a couple of players). $4 isn’t bad either, especially if you’re getting 45 to 60 minutes of fun (and/or frustration) out of it. It takes me about 15 minutes to destroy $4 in a MegaTouch. It costs $4 at best for one frame of bowling (not to mention the cost of shoes and a ball if you decide to do that). Softball or football? To play those at this point, you have to join a league, play once a week according to their schedule, and pay league fees… and the costs of any equipment. Sure, you get more exercise with some of those, and they are fun, but it’s not like you (or, should I say “I”) aren’t drinking beer during those too, so that’s a negligible cost. I would rather go to the gym, then go play some video golf on my schedule... and just play pickup games of basketball or go bowling late night with friends. And, it’s pretty rare that I can’t find someone to play so GT with to get my competitive fix. And, if I can’t? There’s always a ***POW***, KINZ*, JAUNTOOMANY or SOTHPA around the country in the tournament I'm in to play against. As much as I can enjoy a game of football or something on X-Box if friends are over, sitting at home playing alone just doesn’t hold that appeal for me. Out at a bar or restaurant, I can play, people watch, listen to some pretty interesting conversations (sometimes referred to as eavesdropping), and usually meet some cool people if I want to. Not a bad hobby. Now, if I can just figure out how not to breath in that second hand smoke…. By the way, that's another good reason to attend a live event in your part of the world if you can. Once you know some of the names on the leaderboards because you met the people at an event, it just makes playing, while competing against recognizable people, all the more entertaining. - Speaking of players’ names on GT, that’s become an unexpected hot topic lately because of the upcoming GT Live Regional Championships. People have a little fun with their names on the game, with some making me glad that most of the games are in bars. It’s sometimes a name that as been a longtime nickname, sometimes a topical moniker and sometimes just a way to throw a little humor out there. Whatever it is, people enjoy goofing around with their names. As small of a thing as that seems in general, it’s become the source of a lot of questions leading up to the event (GTLRC). There is information by IT stating that your real name has to be used. That’s introducing the potential of taking a little fun out of it for some longtime players. That’s one issue. However, I think there is probably another, bigger issue with it. The idea of the regional events is to encourage a lot of newer players or players who haven’t typically traveled to these types of events to actually attend, experience and enjoy them. Many of these players may not initially try to qualify (even though it’s just a games played thing). Others may not realize they should use their real name. And, yet others may not even realize it’s going on until later in the process (despite ads, flyers, etc.). So, what if they figure out an event is going on part of the way through, realize they are almost qualified, or just find out their friends are going? Is it too late to change their name? I’m sure there are a lot of people that wouldn’t even notice that section of the rules, and would think they qualified, only to find out they didn’t. IT wants all the people who play to attend. So, they surely don’t want to inadvertently exclude people. That makes the name issue more than just about the people wanting to have some fun with it. As I understand it, IT realized this might be a problem after the discussion about it on the boards, so they are looking at their options. Cool. Hopefully they’ll be able to allow whatever names people want as long as they use the same card (that's just my hope, not anything they've said). I mean, how would we live without the hilarious names like WHERE’SMYCAR, ***ANXIETY***, or STEVE C.… oh, wait…that last one's not supposed to be funny?.... - Friday will be the next blog, as I will be out and about this week (especially Thursday evening) looking for people who might want to play in the Texas Shootout LIVE. I'll want to include some things about that, I'm sure. So, Friday it is.Later Blog #2 : May 18, 2006 - I was helping out someone on the discussion board (wpbCubsFan) with an Excel file that compared games played head to head between specific players. Anyway, while using my and his information to test it out with, I noticed something interesting (to me at least). Between us, we had played almost exactly 2000 games (1028 for me, 983 for him... he started a few months after me on LIVE). And, surprising to me, between those 2000 games, we had only played in the same tournaments 27 times, or 1.3% of those games. Or, another way to look at it, of my 1028 games, only 2.6% were played against him... someone who had played around 20 games a week like I do. I would have thought that would have been MUCH higher. - I'm putting on the Texas Shootout LIVE this year (fifth one I think) in a couple of weeks. So, I'm running around Houston kind of trying to play at various places, meet people, and let them know about it. It's been interesting as always. I have fliers, but even where the thing is being put on, where large fliers are hanging, they only reach some people. The problem is, people only read the very beginning. Then, they figure they can't play in one of those "big" tournaments and stop reading. So, even there, I end up talking about it and explaining how everyone pretty much gets something, and how a lot of people get opportunities to win... even if you aren't very good yet. I get to say it over, and over, and over... all over town. But, while I may get tired of repeating some of the same stuff, it doesn't really get too old, as I'm getting to try to convince new players to come have a great time (which they'll figure out then). Oh, I also mention how I'm not making a thing off of it. They don't ask, but I think it might come off less like a sales pitch that way, since I'm just a moron, not a scam artist. :) But, damn... read the whole thing! Ugh. Oh well... comes with the territory. - By the way, while out visiting a place the other day to play some on my day off and let people know about the Shootout, a car dealership employee coming back from lunch darted through three lanes of traffic without checking the last lane... mine... to see if it was stopped. My lane was clear for another block, so I was still going. Saw him with a car length to stop. Almost made it. 3000 lbs. of car doesn't stop very quickly, but almost. Barely chipped some paint on my bumper, but put a cool imprint of my license plate in the side of their Odyssey (mini-van). They realized pretty quickly that it was their fault, and I just asked for them to touch up that spot, and it was all good. Then, I went on to the next GT stop. The hidden dangers of GT Tournament planning. - That's it for now. I'm off to play several hours of video golf, since my house is being used as the setting of this month's Bunco Party that my wife participates in. Hmm... I'm going to have to track "when" I get out to play for the next week or so. I try to fit a lot of things into the week, so finding time for GT isn't always easy, but I seem to do it. I wonder how.... Later. Blog #1 : May 15, 2006 So, here we go… the first blog on UDS. Why a blog? Well, I can’t really think of a good reason, so let’s just go with "Why not?". I guess we can start with trying to explain what I’m trying to accomplish with this blog. I’m not completely sure, but I’m going to be posting to the blog twice a week, and I’m thinking that it will include mostly video golf related items, with the occasional tangent. I figure I’ll include some of the things I run into while out playing, working on the site, talking with friends that play and/or while just hanging out somewhere noticing things going on around me. It’s going to be a growing thing. Bear with me for a while as it develops. I hope you enjoy it to some degree at least. |
More recent photos
At the Mezz with some followthrough. "All-In-Vegas"
Some old photos
"Here's a tip for you Peter..."
Whoa! GTers... not GTing. |
Link to article referenced below, Great quote in an article on pitch.com about a place called Maloney's: "The young, frattish presence made sense,.... A small sprinkling of the tattooed-and-pierced showed up as well, such as the small group that got all into Golden Tee. We fear for Western civilization if Golden Tee is the thing that unites us all."
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